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Revanche1367 24 hours ago [-]
Almost burned up my laptop within seconds of visiting the site. I thought at first it was something like that quite interesting windows 95 on the web demo (which may have been AI-generated too afaik), alas it was just some pretentious AI-generated art piece with little technical value (IMO). Still would have been a nice art piece even with the performance issues if it was (mostly) handwritten, but token-churned art just doesn't have the same feel, especially when it also tries to destroy your computer.
No, it was this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47112892. Last posted on HN 8 months ago, that's when I saw it. I misremembered the Windows version, it was 3.11. But, the site looks to be significantly different now and has different Windows versions, XP being the default emulation.
goodmythical 21 hours ago [-]
No problem on an i3-1215U running kernel 7.2.9 and Firefox 157.0.1...
Kinda weird so many people are having issues with it
As someone who knows something in the space he brags about, it is fascinating to see the dunning kruger effect in realtime here. Even with all those claudes in “adversarial review”.
Realtime soft lighting is possible on mobile but if he had known that, i bet claude woulda been able to do it but he didnt.
If there was even the speckle of curiosity, he would have asked beyond “dont make mistakes” but i guess he was too busy riding his bike while burning 50k to make a blog.
suncemoje 24 hours ago [-]
Personally, I am stunned at how fast - and autonomously - you can get to a very decent 80/20 result with AI these days. And since Opus 5.5 was released I really think it hit another level.
As an example, this was a "silly" one-shot prompt/result I created/received, which goes into a similar direction of what Felix created in terms of UX and aesthetics:
Sure it lacks the finish and attention to detail. But this was one prompt (vs. 60 threads).
Thoughts: I find this both exciting and a bit unsettling. Idea-to-product time in tech just keeps shrinking and shrinking. I feel limited by my own ideas now (1), and by the fact that everything still remains "digital" - ChatGPT still can't build me a house or fix my broken knee (2).
rustystump 20 hours ago [-]
Unlike others, the issue I have is not using AI to have fun and be creative, I do it all the time like a one off table top character sheet tool.
It is the claim that the 60 agents produced competent optimized code when the response here clearly shows that is not the case. But I can excuse ignorance when someone is learning but there was no learning here. There was no interest in learning anything more than “i like that, no not that, make it run better”.
Then this bold claim about how creativity has somehow fundamentally changed because they found a new kind of ink for their printer. Sure kid.
karussell 1 days ago [-]
I agree about what you mean with the dunning kruger effect. A similar effect is when I work with AI in a field where I don't know as much, and I would think that the AI works much better there or even has more than expert knowledge. So I do not (necessarily) overestimate myself, but the AI's capabilities, which can be as dangerous for society.
(Note that latest research shows that the dunning kruger effect might only be a statistical artefact.)
arecsu 1 days ago [-]
Realtime soft lighting is possible but at what cost, for such static scene? I think the light bake technique he used is, in fact, the appropriate way to get beautiful visual results with the upside of good performance in any hardware. It's curious to say Dunning Kruger effect when I do believe the decision reached is possibly conscious about the performance shortcomings of bouncing light in real time
dsunds 21 hours ago [-]
"I have no idea how to use Blender"
Right now we are using AI to automate the tools we've built for ourselves.
I've been wondering, who builds tools now if AI are the primary users?
Will AI agents build and publish tools for the greater good? Or will vendors hold back AI generated composable modules as a competitive advantage.
Similarly for languages, I wonder if or when AI generates machine code and skips all our higher order languages we've built for human needs.
TeMPOraL 21 hours ago [-]
> I've been wondering, who builds tools now if AI are the primary users?
AI already builds tools for itself as part of solving a problem. I expect these to get more sophisticated with time.
> Will AI agents build and publish tools for the greater good? Or will vendors hold back AI generated composable modules as a competitive advantage.
Oh they definitely will - it'll be their last ditch attempt at staying relevant, after they get over denial phase and realize that products are already being subsumed by general AI systems, and reduced to bag of tools agents can use.
But then, for any given bag of tools, how hard will it be for an agent to build a clean-room version of it, instead of paying the vendor? This is the end of software companies as we know them.
> Similarly for languages, I wonder if or when AI generates machine code and skips all our higher order languages we've built for human needs.
That's currently too big a target to hit - the weight of all pretraining, and existing infrastructure, will keep programming languages alive for a while (human languages, that's another topic - there's not as much baggage for agent-to-agent communication).
It will take time. We've only started the co-evolution process very recently: we built agent-optimized wrappers around CLI tools and APIs, and around now that should've percolated into training data for the current or next generation of models. I imagine over time, the tools and agent preferences will co-evolve towards an equilibrium.
Traditional software engineering is so dead for the 99% of use cases...
amelius 1 days ago [-]
Yes, and so is this guy's website. Because who is going to interact with a computer-screen when we can just literally talk (as in: speak) to an AI?
lgleim 1 days ago [-]
so true. gui might be just a niche eventually. let alone sitting in front of a screen 8h/day. Or as Felix wrote - he did most of this from his phone, in part while riding a bike
ashkankiani 1 days ago [-]
Given their current role, it finally explains a lot of things about why I don't like Anthropic's UIs.
kaishin 1 days ago [-]
Nice concept but I find the accessibility aspects really lacking. I suppose that was a non-goal.
nikcub 1 days ago [-]
it loads as a plain text site in Brave with WebGL disabled - I had to re-open it in Chrome to see the actual fancy thing only after seeing the comments here
Topology1 24 hours ago [-]
what did it look like? always wanted to do something ambitious like this, but feel it's an accessibility/compatibility nightmare.
illwrks 1 days ago [-]
I've seen a several AI-coded WebGL examples... I wonder if AI will mean the return of the Flash-style interactive websites.
kaeruct 1 days ago [-]
Feels so strange to recognize what's out the window. I hope this cannot be used to find where they live!
jabron 1 days ago [-]
It's the view off the Warschauer Bridge in Berlin, nobody actually lives there.
I used to live in this area in Berlin and immediately recognized it. It's weird, broken, dirty, rough and somehow exciting. And I'm gonna join the good tradition of people saying that it used to be better in the past because big money(tm) took over and changed things for the worse.
shafyy 1 days ago [-]
You mean before they built the ugly Amazon tower next to it? Agree haha
nforgerit 22 hours ago [-]
There were "the wrong Amazon is burning" tags everywhere in this area at that time which always made me smirk passing by.
dieter37 1 days ago [-]
Excellent work, Claude.
startakovsky1 1 days ago [-]
Can we reverse engineer the prompt? Can we reverse engineer the meta prompt? Can we reverse engineer the meta^n prompt?
Couldn't even SSH into it any more even though Tailscale showed it as alife. Had to reboot.
So this website definitely left an impression.
hobo123 22 hours ago [-]
What laptops are yall using? My Samsung phone with Firefox got very slightly warm while I spent a minute there, but that's it.
thm 1 days ago [-]
For a moment I felt like Flash and Director are back but I guess you call this UI-maxxing nowadays.
slimebot80 12 hours ago [-]
Real questions:
- How much did it cost?
- It's great, and you had lots of input, yet the output is still vague and non specific? These 'tools' seem to excel at one-shot stylizations, but being more specific is hard and takes many iterations at which point it's more pleasant to hire a designer and a dev? And maybe even cheaper, I'm guessing, given there is no mention of cost.
basilikum 21 hours ago [-]
=== Start of Comment ===
I don't like this.
I don't really know how to describe this any better. I have JavaScript disabled by default and got a decent lightweight blog index. The comments here on HN didn't make much sense so I enabled JS and WebGL. An image starts to load before I get this screen: "This scene needs WebGL, which isn't available in this browser." Cool. So I try a different browser and it works, but is very laggy.
I dunno. I guess it's an impressive tech demo. I mean 3D rendering in the browser is not new, but it's impressive that AIs can do something like this. It doesn't look like total crap. I guess it looks kinda neat.
But it's a terrible user interface. It would be cool if it was some handcrafted art. Not useful but human expression through sweat and dedication.
But this is an autogenerated remix of other people's art as it looks from the credits. Arranged in a 3D scene. So it's an extremely impractical user interface for what? Looking pretty? Making me go "wow"? I mean fair, that's subjective and if people feel that way that's fair.
I don't. I don't like it. I appreciate that there is a JS free version. I like it much more.
=== End of Comment ===
=== Start of Rambling ===
Now some unfair nitpick.
When I was on the JS free version and did not know why this site is even submitted here I clicked on the post about Electron. The decent blog index made place to some dreaded slop blog page. This quote struck out to me:
> But: You might be surprised to hear that performance is not the primary reason why many Electron developers prefer a bundled engine.
I am in fact not surprised at all.
I just feel that this is descriptive.
=== End of Rambling ===
joker99 1 days ago [-]
Ah, the “good“ old times of interactive flash websites.
> In addition, Flash has not performed well on mobile devices
H5 animations performs much worse on all devices.
Flash animations like Felix's can run well on a Pentium III processor with 64MB memory.
jeroenhd 1 days ago [-]
I disagree, Flash was a real battery sucker on Android. Native CSS animations were usually smooth in Chrome; Firefox still hasn't caught up entirely on that front I feel.
Feeding animation frames through JS rather than letting the browser do its job does take a toll, but Flash freezing the entire tab while the browser plugin initialized is something I've resented the moment HTML5 came along.
In the age of the Pentium III, Flash was state of the art, but it's been a couple of decades since then.
est 1 days ago [-]
> Flash was a real battery sucker on Android
> Flash freezing the entire tab
It's a runtime issue. .swf format is highly optimized, but it was poorly ported to iOS at that time. Adobe didn't even try.
Also the observation is kinda biased. Reimplement the same kind of animation with h5, you'd drain your battery quickly and eat your cpu0 as well. Webkit made lots of optimizations during the years.
jeroenhd 1 days ago [-]
I don't know if it was ever really ported to iOS, I've only used it on Android as a mobile platform.
Native plugins were universally bad. Flash was the best of the bunch, but it was still a major issue. Great potential ruined by problematic implementation.
.swf is a fine format, but the software required to display it in a browser was awful. I'm glad it's dead even though I'm sad we lose so much of the old internet now that it's buried.
Ruffle has been doing great for most games and animations, though. It has a similar startup + init + load time Flash player used to have, but without the myriad security vulnerabilities that plagued the web back when native plugins were still a thing.
Of course, Steve Jobs didn't get upset about Flash for any real technical reason. Adobe's CEO didn't entertain his bullshit so Steve threw a hissyfit and kicked Flash off Apple's platform. No technical merits can stand up the arbitrary whims of a billionaire CEO.
grebc 1 days ago [-]
I don’t know about a III but Flash was good in the early/mid 2000’s while I was attending university.
Certainly was 10x better than what HTML was providing at the time, HTML really only jumped forward in this department when Steve banned it on iOS.
I don’t miss it, however my friend at uni made some wicked animations in the adobe Flash editor, whatever it was called. He should’ve went onto animation etc but stuck to programming.
rustystump 1 days ago [-]
This is both creative and soulless at the same time. It runs like puke and reading the creating of, it is obvious why.
AI still cannot solve ignorance and all these examples from and of people/anthropic really showcase this. It is like watching a monkey shake a box of crayons until something interesting comes out.
Anthropic 30k mrs a day, custom version control to handle the churn vs some dude and an email list.
YeGoblynQueenne 1 days ago [-]
Everything that ever had value went the same way: food, art, motorcycles, tourism... you visit somewhere or buy something that looks exciting and 9 times out of 10 it's soulless, industrially produced, mass-targeted and ends up worth less than the money you spent on it.
It's surprising to feel that way about code projects. For most people computers always were soulless machines without anything creative associated with them. Now we're in a strange inversion of history where people who never had any idea what to do with a computer suddenly feel very creative talking to the cloud to ask it to rain down some weird and wonderful thing on them that they feel proud to post about on their social media.
Weird times. Anyway just wanted to say you're not alone.
sans_souse 1 days ago [-]
I found myself inside a simulation simulating simulations of a simulation.
And it was good.
Hitton 21 hours ago [-]
The snake game in the terminal has an off-by-one error with top line.
But overall very cool and impressive.
mlsu 20 hours ago [-]
It's pretty bleak that this guy chose to display rainy/dark/VHS/analogue/nihilistic penguin as the central motif here. There's certainly a lot to unpack.
Oh well, at least the site itself is technically excellent.
einrealist 1 days ago [-]
Is he even happy? The website mood is so sad.
flohofwoe 1 days ago [-]
Interesting, I find the 'mood' very cozy and welcoming. There's nothing nicer than a warm, dimly lit room with a computer (or in this case VCR) when it's cold and rainy outside :)
swiftcoder 1 days ago [-]
It's just themed on a Werner Herzog documentary (which are inherently pretty gloomy). But also, who can say for sure
kmoser 1 days ago [-]
The stark landscape and accented voiceover seem to be inspired by the documentary Happy People: A Year in the Taiga by Werner Herzog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psnY17CImaQ
gilgoomesh 1 days ago [-]
It feels like it's trying to evoke Bioshock vibes or a similar retro-punk dystopia.
ge96 1 days ago [-]
Well he did use the penguin that walks off into oblivion
Aldipower 1 days ago [-]
You are the prototype of the jealous HN commenter.
mightyalex 1 days ago [-]
Not concerned at all ^^; "he built the website in 24 hours" is great marketing for Claude. Now everyone wants to try building their own website the same way and burn tokens.
maximilianfeix 1 days ago [-]
Which tech stack did you use for this or is all Claude Code =)
jansan 1 days ago [-]
He is a technical manager at Anthropic, so what do you expect?
the scary thing is that I love this slightly reactionary nostalgic design - mattering the content.
It probably does tell more about me than any technology or approach discussed here.
grrr...
KubaFYI 1 days ago [-]
I wonder how many millions of tokens it took.
kubb 1 days ago [-]
I should be career hopping some more.
felixgallo 24 hours ago [-]
I think the only controversial thing about this cute little homemade website is that he frames Electron as being a rebellion against the chaos of modern software, which, well.
MarceColl 1 days ago [-]
Reminds me a bit (although less interesting) of the 2000s JK Rowling website.
Topology1 24 hours ago [-]
+1 for supporting Vim movements on the virtual computer
jansan 1 days ago [-]
The view from his window is from Warschauer Brücke in Berlin Friedrichshain or nearby. I have fond memories living in that area and working on my software day and night.
I love the website, but one thing scares me in his list of projects:
08 Clippy 2025-now
spacelatte 1 days ago [-]
I also lived in Friedrichshain, Berlin during Covid. In fact, at the corner of Warschauer str. & Boxhagener Str. The first thing I noticed was the Mercedes Arena and the (Ost-)Bahnhof.
The remains of the wall, (Mauer) is not much visible from that point, but definitely gives certain hacker-vibes...
It is a marvelous thing. A beautiful app platform. Suddenly, one day, I was no longer Linux user without app. Linux app was standard. Everybody has Linux app. I had dual-boot Linux computer to play Valorant on Windows and to live normal life on Linux. And I use Mac at work. And it is all glorious because I no longer think about which is which. And there are people who are saying it is not amazing, but it is. I can hit Ctrl-R and the application refreshes. What an astounding tool.
For me the great app platforms:
* the terminal
* the iPhone/Android
* the web
And suddenly, the web is brought to the desktop and it is cross-platform. Everything is here on my Linux. It is the Year of the Linux Desktop and everyone is complaining about web platform. But it is web platform that has brought it here. Praise be the forces that made this happen. This man has a great website, and if he has made Electron then he is always welcome to me.
zelphirkalt 1 days ago [-]
Now we got desktop (electron) apps blocking our VPNs via friggin cloudflare. I have come to absolutely loath cloudflare's BS.
this_self 1 days ago [-]
I can’t find anything better than Electron/Tauri for building cross-platform desktop apps.
The browser engine is quite efficient and performant for building complex interfaces
zzzoom 1 days ago [-]
You have an interesting definition of "efficient and performant".
vovavili 1 days ago [-]
The core of Electron can be made quite efficient and performant. It's just that commercial app developers have few incentives to dedicate significant time and effort towards optimization when modern PCs are this powerful:
You're missing the "for building complex interfaces" part. I would extend that to "for building complex interfaces with even basic accessibility features" though.
And for what it's worth, Tauri and to a lesser extent Electron is actually quite efficient. It looks bloated as hell because it allocates all kinds of RAM pages it doesn't really use in case it needs to JIT extensively (which usually get compressed or swapped out anyway), but by default it's a decent UI framework.
Tauri takes what, maybe 50MiB of RAM? It's not the most efficient way, but it's as efficient as a usable cross-platform framework gets these days. Electron is four times that, which is still better than the alternative on Linux (which was running the Windows application on Wine before Electron came along).
Telegram is written in native Qt and takes about 1750MiB of RAM on my machine to show me a chat screen. The framework isn't the issue here.
flohofwoe 1 days ago [-]
Native apps are not automatically more responsive or less bloated. Look at Xcode or Visual Studio vs VSCode. Performance is mainly the result of how much effort you want to put into optimization.
gumby 1 days ago [-]
Certainly the user does not feel the same.
luis_cho 1 days ago [-]
Electron might be a good example of worse is better.
codetiger 1 days ago [-]
Electron was too good when I first saw it, and gave the "Javascript everywhere" for the desktop apps. Then quickly felt like a bloatware.
Kinda weird so many people are having issues with it
extremely fascinating details in here
Realtime soft lighting is possible on mobile but if he had known that, i bet claude woulda been able to do it but he didnt.
If there was even the speckle of curiosity, he would have asked beyond “dont make mistakes” but i guess he was too busy riding his bike while burning 50k to make a blog.
As an example, this was a "silly" one-shot prompt/result I created/received, which goes into a similar direction of what Felix created in terms of UX and aesthetics:
https://poster-pillar.sidequests.p-john.com/
Sure it lacks the finish and attention to detail. But this was one prompt (vs. 60 threads).
Thoughts: I find this both exciting and a bit unsettling. Idea-to-product time in tech just keeps shrinking and shrinking. I feel limited by my own ideas now (1), and by the fact that everything still remains "digital" - ChatGPT still can't build me a house or fix my broken knee (2).
It is the claim that the 60 agents produced competent optimized code when the response here clearly shows that is not the case. But I can excuse ignorance when someone is learning but there was no learning here. There was no interest in learning anything more than “i like that, no not that, make it run better”.
Then this bold claim about how creativity has somehow fundamentally changed because they found a new kind of ink for their printer. Sure kid.
(Note that latest research shows that the dunning kruger effect might only be a statistical artefact.)
Right now we are using AI to automate the tools we've built for ourselves. I've been wondering, who builds tools now if AI are the primary users? Will AI agents build and publish tools for the greater good? Or will vendors hold back AI generated composable modules as a competitive advantage.
Similarly for languages, I wonder if or when AI generates machine code and skips all our higher order languages we've built for human needs.
AI already builds tools for itself as part of solving a problem. I expect these to get more sophisticated with time.
> Will AI agents build and publish tools for the greater good? Or will vendors hold back AI generated composable modules as a competitive advantage.
Oh they definitely will - it'll be their last ditch attempt at staying relevant, after they get over denial phase and realize that products are already being subsumed by general AI systems, and reduced to bag of tools agents can use.
But then, for any given bag of tools, how hard will it be for an agent to build a clean-room version of it, instead of paying the vendor? This is the end of software companies as we know them.
> Similarly for languages, I wonder if or when AI generates machine code and skips all our higher order languages we've built for human needs.
That's currently too big a target to hit - the weight of all pretraining, and existing infrastructure, will keep programming languages alive for a while (human languages, that's another topic - there's not as much baggage for agent-to-agent communication).
It will take time. We've only started the co-evolution process very recently: we built agent-optimized wrappers around CLI tools and APIs, and around now that should've percolated into training data for the current or next generation of models. I imagine over time, the tools and agent preferences will co-evolve towards an equilibrium.
Traditional software engineering is so dead for the 99% of use cases...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Berin_Skyline_(39941...
Couldn't even SSH into it any more even though Tailscale showed it as alife. Had to reboot.
So this website definitely left an impression.
- How much did it cost?
- It's great, and you had lots of input, yet the output is still vague and non specific? These 'tools' seem to excel at one-shot stylizations, but being more specific is hard and takes many iterations at which point it's more pleasant to hire a designer and a dev? And maybe even cheaper, I'm guessing, given there is no mention of cost.
I don't like this.
I don't really know how to describe this any better. I have JavaScript disabled by default and got a decent lightweight blog index. The comments here on HN didn't make much sense so I enabled JS and WebGL. An image starts to load before I get this screen: "This scene needs WebGL, which isn't available in this browser." Cool. So I try a different browser and it works, but is very laggy.
I dunno. I guess it's an impressive tech demo. I mean 3D rendering in the browser is not new, but it's impressive that AIs can do something like this. It doesn't look like total crap. I guess it looks kinda neat.
But it's a terrible user interface. It would be cool if it was some handcrafted art. Not useful but human expression through sweat and dedication.
But this is an autogenerated remix of other people's art as it looks from the credits. Arranged in a 3D scene. So it's an extremely impractical user interface for what? Looking pretty? Making me go "wow"? I mean fair, that's subjective and if people feel that way that's fair.
I don't. I don't like it. I appreciate that there is a JS free version. I like it much more.
=== End of Comment ===
=== Start of Rambling ===
Now some unfair nitpick.
When I was on the JS free version and did not know why this site is even submitted here I clicked on the post about Electron. The decent blog index made place to some dreaded slop blog page. This quote struck out to me:
> But: You might be surprised to hear that performance is not the primary reason why many Electron developers prefer a bundled engine.
I am in fact not surprised at all.
I just feel that this is descriptive.
=== End of Rambling ===
https://web.archive.org/web/20170615060422/https://www.apple...
> In addition, Flash has not performed well on mobile devices
H5 animations performs much worse on all devices.
Flash animations like Felix's can run well on a Pentium III processor with 64MB memory.
Feeding animation frames through JS rather than letting the browser do its job does take a toll, but Flash freezing the entire tab while the browser plugin initialized is something I've resented the moment HTML5 came along.
In the age of the Pentium III, Flash was state of the art, but it's been a couple of decades since then.
> Flash freezing the entire tab
It's a runtime issue. .swf format is highly optimized, but it was poorly ported to iOS at that time. Adobe didn't even try.
Also the observation is kinda biased. Reimplement the same kind of animation with h5, you'd drain your battery quickly and eat your cpu0 as well. Webkit made lots of optimizations during the years.
Native plugins were universally bad. Flash was the best of the bunch, but it was still a major issue. Great potential ruined by problematic implementation.
.swf is a fine format, but the software required to display it in a browser was awful. I'm glad it's dead even though I'm sad we lose so much of the old internet now that it's buried.
Ruffle has been doing great for most games and animations, though. It has a similar startup + init + load time Flash player used to have, but without the myriad security vulnerabilities that plagued the web back when native plugins were still a thing.
Of course, Steve Jobs didn't get upset about Flash for any real technical reason. Adobe's CEO didn't entertain his bullshit so Steve threw a hissyfit and kicked Flash off Apple's platform. No technical merits can stand up the arbitrary whims of a billionaire CEO.
Certainly was 10x better than what HTML was providing at the time, HTML really only jumped forward in this department when Steve banned it on iOS.
I don’t miss it, however my friend at uni made some wicked animations in the adobe Flash editor, whatever it was called. He should’ve went onto animation etc but stuck to programming.
AI still cannot solve ignorance and all these examples from and of people/anthropic really showcase this. It is like watching a monkey shake a box of crayons until something interesting comes out.
Anthropic 30k mrs a day, custom version control to handle the churn vs some dude and an email list.
It's surprising to feel that way about code projects. For most people computers always were soulless machines without anything creative associated with them. Now we're in a strange inversion of history where people who never had any idea what to do with a computer suddenly feel very creative talking to the cloud to ask it to rain down some weird and wonderful thing on them that they feel proud to post about on their social media.
Weird times. Anyway just wanted to say you're not alone.
And it was good.
But overall very cool and impressive.
Oh well, at least the site itself is technically excellent.
https://youtu.be/zs34g9jBUhg
the scary thing is that I love this slightly reactionary nostalgic design - mattering the content.
It probably does tell more about me than any technology or approach discussed here.
grrr...
I love the website, but one thing scares me in his list of projects:
The remains of the wall, (Mauer) is not much visible from that point, but definitely gives certain hacker-vibes...
Just kidding. But you must have clicked somewhere. Audio autoplay hasn't been a thing on the web for years (thankfully).
For me the great app platforms:
* the terminal
* the iPhone/Android
* the web
And suddenly, the web is brought to the desktop and it is cross-platform. Everything is here on my Linux. It is the Year of the Linux Desktop and everyone is complaining about web platform. But it is web platform that has brought it here. Praise be the forces that made this happen. This man has a great website, and if he has made Electron then he is always welcome to me.
https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2025-electronAintBad
And for what it's worth, Tauri and to a lesser extent Electron is actually quite efficient. It looks bloated as hell because it allocates all kinds of RAM pages it doesn't really use in case it needs to JIT extensively (which usually get compressed or swapped out anyway), but by default it's a decent UI framework.
Tauri takes what, maybe 50MiB of RAM? It's not the most efficient way, but it's as efficient as a usable cross-platform framework gets these days. Electron is four times that, which is still better than the alternative on Linux (which was running the Windows application on Wine before Electron came along).
Telegram is written in native Qt and takes about 1750MiB of RAM on my machine to show me a chat screen. The framework isn't the issue here.