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faangguyindia 8 hours ago [-]
GLP-1s are being overused by people who don't even need them!
We are definitely going to see an increased risk of gallbladder/bile issues population wide if this trend continues.
A calorie deficit works for fat loss; you don't need GLPs in the vast majority of cases.
The funniest thing is that people have produced studies and use them to conclude, “Diet and exercise do not work.” and they use it to boost GLPs even more.
Zironic 7 hours ago [-]
Calorie deficit works, but the ability for an average person to maintain a calorie deficit without external help is close to 0%
Just about every study ever done on diet and exercise shows this.
faangguyindia 7 hours ago [-]
>Calorie deficit works, but the ability for an average person to maintain a calorie deficit without external help is close to 0%
I don't agree with 0% figure at all.
Why? because we are able to offer Guaranteed results AT NO COST (no ads, no subscription, no payment of any kind) within 2-3 weeks for both Weight Loss and Weight Gain, many people start seeing results from the very first week; you can read reviews if you doubt this.
The market is filled with "Eat X for weight loss, eat Y for weight gain."
The average person actually does not choose the right strategy for weight loss, which is a "calorie deficit."
But implementing it is not "EASY" until you understand how expenditure, calorie intake, and weight movement work, which is too much work to understand for an average Joe.
OKAY, the vast majority of people on Hacker News can probably wrap their heads around these concepts if they find the right resource, but the average Joe can't.
Let's take something as simple as "calorie deficit."
Being at a calorie deficit itself requires knowing two things:
1. How much you burn in a day (total daily energy expenditure or TDEE)
2. How much your intake is for the day
Deficit = TDEE - Intake
You can do calorie counting for #2. But what can you do for #1?
The average guy does not know how to calculate these properly, let alone judge weight movement, which can move a lot in the opposite direction due to water weight fluctuations that can exceed 1 kg+ of movement a day.
Yes, if only I could math, then the food cravings would stop..
faangguyindia 5 hours ago [-]
This is another misconception because of those "dieting studies" people believe dieting = VLCD or PSMF or other harsh deficit methods.
Running moderate deficit is key specially as a newbie.
Most people do not get fat because they are eating 1000s of calories in surplus each day; in fact, most people get fat over a long period of time and they might be eating only 100-200kcal more than what they need to maintain their weight or perhaps after getting fat they are eating at maintenance.
If you remove 300 kcal from your diet, you'll perhaps not even notice this, yet you'll end up losing 14 kg or 30 lbs in a year without much effort.
Very few people actually need GLPs for "appetite suppression."
If you want to run 1000 kcal deficits, GLPs make it very easy for people to crash their intake.
Crashing intake may result in bile/gallbladder issue or hairloss
why blame the users when it’s the makers of the poor food that should be blamed
faangguyindia 5 hours ago [-]
The market has a lot of food choices.
You can still get fat eating organic whole foods; butter tastes good, and it's easy to overeat.
The issue is people not having a good enough activity level and then getting fat, and swinging to the opposite extreme by crash dieting.
GLPs make it very easy to crash diet which results in other issues.
Once a person understands how calories map to weight changes over a period of time, it becomes very easy for them!
redanddead 4 hours ago [-]
The market is not wise
The market wants you to put Oreos in your mouth. Oreos are terrible for you. They’re basically plastic at this point. It’s just emulsifiers.
You’ll never see the butter company do shit like this. Butter is butter as it’s been for thousands of years. There’s a different between these two things. The food makers can 100% make healthy Oreos, imagine low calorie Oreos, they don’t want to because fuck us. I’m asking why. This is a reasonable question.
>The issue is people not having a good enough activity level and then getting fat, and swinging to the opposite extreme by crash dieting.
I work out a lot, do you? What’s your bodyfat percentage? I’m at 8%. Do you even lift? You will never outrun your diet, and it’s not about fat it’s about health. If you were in shape you’d know nutrition is the basis of recovery, it’s not just exercise. Your performance is greatly affected by carb intake as well, look up carb cycling.
GLP1s are a failure mode of the market, they’re a symptom of the global food industry reaching a local optimum that just so happens to be toxic to humans.
What’s more, I’ve noticed your username, South Asia is being ravaged by diabetes. New research is correlating genetics to diabetes. GLP1s are helping countless people there, where real health outcomes are on the line, not some theoretical thing you can preach against online.
faangguyindia 2 hours ago [-]
>I work out a lot, do you? What’s your body fat percentage? I’m at 8%.
Yes, I do. A recent DEXA scan puts me at 12% BF, which I maintain year-round at an FFMI of 25.
Lemme ask: how many people have you trained?
>You’ll never see the butter company do shit like this. Butter is butter as it’s been for thousands of years. There’s a different between these two things.
People used to be fat before oreos were ever invented.
>You will never outrun your diet, and it’s not about fat; it’s about health.
Who claimed you can outrun a bad diet? I simply said people's activity level is low; this results in low maintenance calories, so when they apply a deficit, their target calories end up being low.
You need to increase your activity level if you are sedentary.
>What’s more, I’ve noticed your username, South Asia is being ravaged by diabetes.
43% to 44% of U.S. adults have obesity.
>not some theoretical thing you can preach against online.
We've got 17,000+ users and many reviews. Lemme know how many people are vouching for you.
I do not believe in biased research coming out of US.
redanddead 1 hours ago [-]
Why are you defending poor nutrition choices?
For the free market?
And honestly, I’ve trained 2-3 people. I see them struggle with nutrition above all else, of course I will empathize with people trying to defeat these cravings companies have engineered, it’s not normal.
multifasciatus 12 hours ago [-]
“Potential residual confounding and selection bias restrict generalisability of the results.”
Will be interesting to see more RCTs for these drugs over the next decade to see how far their benefits stretch.
A calorie deficit works for fat loss; you don't need GLPs in the vast majority of cases.
The funniest thing is that people have produced studies and use them to conclude, “Diet and exercise do not work.” and they use it to boost GLPs even more.
Just about every study ever done on diet and exercise shows this.
I don't agree with 0% figure at all.
Why? because we are able to offer Guaranteed results AT NO COST (no ads, no subscription, no payment of any kind) within 2-3 weeks for both Weight Loss and Weight Gain, many people start seeing results from the very first week; you can read reviews if you doubt this.
The market is filled with "Eat X for weight loss, eat Y for weight gain."
The average person actually does not choose the right strategy for weight loss, which is a "calorie deficit."
But implementing it is not "EASY" until you understand how expenditure, calorie intake, and weight movement work, which is too much work to understand for an average Joe.
OKAY, the vast majority of people on Hacker News can probably wrap their heads around these concepts if they find the right resource, but the average Joe can't.
Let's take something as simple as "calorie deficit."
Being at a calorie deficit itself requires knowing two things:
1. How much you burn in a day (total daily energy expenditure or TDEE)
2. How much your intake is for the day
Deficit = TDEE - Intake
You can do calorie counting for #2. But what can you do for #1?
The average guy does not know how to calculate these properly, let alone judge weight movement, which can move a lot in the opposite direction due to water weight fluctuations that can exceed 1 kg+ of movement a day.
Have you seen the math required for figuring out "Maintenance Calories?, see this: https://macrocodex.app/knowledge/rethink/adaptive-tdee/
And all the factors that go into this? see this: https://macrocodex.app/knowledge/macrocodex/smart-calorie-bu...
We've 17,000+ users why? because #1 is a difficult problem for many.
Our solution is Macrocodex, which comes at no cost to the user and is very easy to use.
>Just about every study ever done on diet and exercise shows this.
Those studies already set people up for failure to begin with; I wrote about it here: https://macrocodex.app/knowledge/rethink/weight-loss-studies...
Running moderate deficit is key specially as a newbie.
Most people do not get fat because they are eating 1000s of calories in surplus each day; in fact, most people get fat over a long period of time and they might be eating only 100-200kcal more than what they need to maintain their weight or perhaps after getting fat they are eating at maintenance.
If you remove 300 kcal from your diet, you'll perhaps not even notice this, yet you'll end up losing 14 kg or 30 lbs in a year without much effort.
Very few people actually need GLPs for "appetite suppression."
If you want to run 1000 kcal deficits, GLPs make it very easy for people to crash their intake.
Crashing intake may result in bile/gallbladder issue or hairloss
Even GLP users recommend the macrocodex:
https://www.reddit.com/r/tirzepatidecompound/comments/1omfgx...
You can still get fat eating organic whole foods; butter tastes good, and it's easy to overeat.
The issue is people not having a good enough activity level and then getting fat, and swinging to the opposite extreme by crash dieting.
GLPs make it very easy to crash diet which results in other issues.
Once a person understands how calories map to weight changes over a period of time, it becomes very easy for them!
The market wants you to put Oreos in your mouth. Oreos are terrible for you. They’re basically plastic at this point. It’s just emulsifiers.
You’ll never see the butter company do shit like this. Butter is butter as it’s been for thousands of years. There’s a different between these two things. The food makers can 100% make healthy Oreos, imagine low calorie Oreos, they don’t want to because fuck us. I’m asking why. This is a reasonable question.
>The issue is people not having a good enough activity level and then getting fat, and swinging to the opposite extreme by crash dieting.
I work out a lot, do you? What’s your bodyfat percentage? I’m at 8%. Do you even lift? You will never outrun your diet, and it’s not about fat it’s about health. If you were in shape you’d know nutrition is the basis of recovery, it’s not just exercise. Your performance is greatly affected by carb intake as well, look up carb cycling.
GLP1s are a failure mode of the market, they’re a symptom of the global food industry reaching a local optimum that just so happens to be toxic to humans.
What’s more, I’ve noticed your username, South Asia is being ravaged by diabetes. New research is correlating genetics to diabetes. GLP1s are helping countless people there, where real health outcomes are on the line, not some theoretical thing you can preach against online.
Yes, I do. A recent DEXA scan puts me at 12% BF, which I maintain year-round at an FFMI of 25.
Lemme ask: how many people have you trained?
>You’ll never see the butter company do shit like this. Butter is butter as it’s been for thousands of years. There’s a different between these two things.
People used to be fat before oreos were ever invented.
>You will never outrun your diet, and it’s not about fat; it’s about health.
Who claimed you can outrun a bad diet? I simply said people's activity level is low; this results in low maintenance calories, so when they apply a deficit, their target calories end up being low.
You need to increase your activity level if you are sedentary.
>What’s more, I’ve noticed your username, South Asia is being ravaged by diabetes.
43% to 44% of U.S. adults have obesity.
>not some theoretical thing you can preach against online.
We've got 17,000+ users and many reviews. Lemme know how many people are vouching for you.
I do not believe in biased research coming out of US.
For the free market?
And honestly, I’ve trained 2-3 people. I see them struggle with nutrition above all else, of course I will empathize with people trying to defeat these cravings companies have engineered, it’s not normal.
Will be interesting to see more RCTs for these drugs over the next decade to see how far their benefits stretch.