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datahack 4 hours ago [-]
I didn’t vote for a crime free society and I don’t want a surveillance society. Some random ass CEO does not have the right or authority to tell the rest of us how to run our society: that’s sidestepping Democracy and not ok.
Societies have functioned for millennia without Flock, and there is nothing especially dangerous that it solves.
In fact violent crime in the United States has dropped by a record 9.3% just in 2025 (the largest single year decline in U.S. history). It’s not like there is some pressing crisis.
As far as I am concerned, this guy can get bent.
theglenn88_ 1 hours ago [-]
You misread it. What he said was "for me make more money, I have to convince you to give up your privacy"
What's funny though is the idea that giving up your privacy will remove crime. Ha.
donatj 7 minutes ago [-]
Why would anyone want a crime free society. I think anyone but a small child understands that a ton of things now and historically have been illegal that really just shouldn't be. Society functions as a whole through lack of enforcement of a large percentage of current laws.
joshAg 6 hours ago [-]
cool. I don't want a crime-free society. It's not that I want crime, it's that at a certain point I'd rather allocate government attention/money/time at issues other than crime because the benefit to that other thing is greater than getting crime asymptotically closer to 0.
StevenWaterman 2 hours ago [-]
Yep. The optimal amount of crime is nonzero
AngryData 6 hours ago [-]
Most common crime is wage theft, don't see how they are going to do anything about that.
syntaxing 6 hours ago [-]
“ Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
- Benjamin Franklin
frankvdwaal 5 hours ago [-]
Franklin was talking about freedom of the local government to tax, as in "those who surrender their right to decide who gets taxed, merely to obtain some money for immediate defence, risk losing both their political independence and their security."
Funny how a defence of representative government's authority is turned into a warning against government exercising that authority in the wrong way. :)
Infringing on 4th amendment rights sounds like a crime to me.
al_borland 6 hours ago [-]
Or just keep the people in jail who are committing most of the crime. When someone has been arrested a dozen times, we don’t need cameras tracking them to keep people safe, we need that person removed from polite society.
Flock is a poor solution to a failure of the judicial system.
Dezvous 6 hours ago [-]
We need to solve the root of why crimes happen in the first place to make any difference, not just arrest people for committing crimes.
al_borland 5 hours ago [-]
Something needs to happen between now and a cultural shift that will take decades.
Compassion for the criminals comes at the expense of the peace, safety, and well-being of everyone else. There seems to be little compassion for the vast majority who act right, but have to put up with all of it, which ends up eroding public trust and keeps us on a downward spiral.
nielsbot 3 hours ago [-]
> There seems to be little compassion for the vast majority who act right, but have to put up with all of it, which ends up eroding public trust and keeps us on a downward spiral.
Everything in here is unfounded. Unless you have sources?
tvbusy 4 hours ago [-]
The worse the crime is, the harder the punishment but only until a certain level, after which the crime is above the law.
bob1029 3 hours ago [-]
The only thing I've seen improved by flock cameras would be my local shopping experience. Retail parking lots and freeway entrances seem reasonable. Everywhere else these cameras feel like absolute oppression.
There was a period of time where walking into Home Depot was like gambling in a casino with regard to inventory not being tampered with. It was genuinely really bad. There was a day when I couldn't find any sand, despite their system indicating sufficient inventory. I have to assume people were just walking out with it on carts. You'd have to steal a lot of sand to catch a felony charge. Seeing four flock cameras as you turn the corner in front of the store is probably helping to send a strong "please don't steal from me" vibe.
ForHackernews 2 hours ago [-]
I don't think tweakers robbing home depot sand to buy meth care about cameras.
silverFork 6 hours ago [-]
Well there are many issues and that is ownership and who gets to see the data and who gets to delete the data. If it is ever going to work, the ownership has to be public and not private. The videos should be impossible to delete.. The camera spread should be the same everywhere and would collect data non-selectively and only in public spaces. The data could only become visible to viewers only if certain criteria's are met and not continuous.
nielsbot 3 hours ago [-]
hint: it's not going to work
feverzsj 5 hours ago [-]
Says who hides his house on google map.
m463 4 hours ago [-]
or move to japan, which does thing a different way
I remember being in a fast food restaurant. A lady left her purse on her table and went to the bathroom. 8 year old kids walk to school in the city (with backpacks almost as big as they are).
or another way of thinking of it: what will be done for you will be done to you
fifilura 5 hours ago [-]
So much stupidity from people who make every choice binary.
Woodi 6 hours ago [-]
Somehow "Minority Raport" was about crime... And stupidity build into oversight system.
And under eg. communism where oversight is balooned to society self-harm you still have crime. And "bribery" is alias for communism and other dictatorships.
So, it is just better to give up on Flock spy[hard]ware.
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jesterson 4 hours ago [-]
This is such a weird framing.
The problem with Flock and similar solutions is not about what they collect, but more about who and how uses it. The same applies to pretty much all government surveillance - it is acceptable it is collected, but absolutely unacceptable that it often accessed and used in ways obscure to person of interest.
verdverm 6 hours ago [-]
I'll take freedom and the cons that come with it. I doubt very much that crime-free is even possible, especially the oligarchy crimes
antibull 6 hours ago [-]
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nickphx 4 hours ago [-]
he is a real thought leader.. /s
bdangubic 6 hours ago [-]
He’s right, the countries that have lowest crime rates have flock cameras everywhere and zero privacy, this is the way /s
Societies have functioned for millennia without Flock, and there is nothing especially dangerous that it solves.
In fact violent crime in the United States has dropped by a record 9.3% just in 2025 (the largest single year decline in U.S. history). It’s not like there is some pressing crisis.
As far as I am concerned, this guy can get bent.
What's funny though is the idea that giving up your privacy will remove crime. Ha.
- Benjamin Franklin
Funny how a defence of representative government's authority is turned into a warning against government exercising that authority in the wrong way. :)
Flock is a poor solution to a failure of the judicial system.
Compassion for the criminals comes at the expense of the peace, safety, and well-being of everyone else. There seems to be little compassion for the vast majority who act right, but have to put up with all of it, which ends up eroding public trust and keeps us on a downward spiral.
Everything in here is unfounded. Unless you have sources?
There was a period of time where walking into Home Depot was like gambling in a casino with regard to inventory not being tampered with. It was genuinely really bad. There was a day when I couldn't find any sand, despite their system indicating sufficient inventory. I have to assume people were just walking out with it on carts. You'd have to steal a lot of sand to catch a felony charge. Seeing four flock cameras as you turn the corner in front of the store is probably helping to send a strong "please don't steal from me" vibe.
I remember being in a fast food restaurant. A lady left her purse on her table and went to the bathroom. 8 year old kids walk to school in the city (with backpacks almost as big as they are).
or another way of thinking of it: what will be done for you will be done to you
And under eg. communism where oversight is balooned to society self-harm you still have crime. And "bribery" is alias for communism and other dictatorships.
So, it is just better to give up on Flock spy[hard]ware.
The problem with Flock and similar solutions is not about what they collect, but more about who and how uses it. The same applies to pretty much all government surveillance - it is acceptable it is collected, but absolutely unacceptable that it often accessed and used in ways obscure to person of interest.